Unveiling the Shadows: A Glimpse into the Comprehensive Emotional Memory Assessment (CEMA)

hello fearfully and wonderfully made humans it's me Diana Rice from through the valley therapy coming to you from soflow AKA South Florida hanging in the PO populi botone studio with my girl Kayla even though I am a br County girl thank you thank so much for joining me today on the holistic counselor podcast I am honored to have Travis gray who is a licensed mental health counselor certified addiction professional and a qualified supervisor for registered mental

health counselor interns in the State of Florida he has been a faith-based licensed therapist in practice for the past 12 years Travis is the creator of the comprehensive emotional memory assessment and specializes in trauma resolution and Shadow integration he is certified in EMDR and works with guided imagery Travis is a military veteran thank you for that thank you and finds deep fulfillment in helping others come to the knowledge of the truth and realize their highest version

of self so I met Travis while I was praying to God to bring me a white male therapist who works with couples and the reason is that last year the Lord put in my heart to create a mental Wellness Ministry at my church where I bring together four Christian clinical mental health professionals to talk about a topic in a 2-hour Workshop I'm really really trying to break the mental health stigma in churches because so many are

suffering within the walls and being spiritually bypassed but that's for another podcast episode to talk about these things anywh who the first one was back in September of 2023 and it was on Stress Management and I will link the video in the show notes so being the bipac therapist that I am I purposely seek out diversity curate the questions and produce the event with the pastors at my church since I attend a very diverse Church shout

out to Grace Church Pastor Gary and the Gang it's a church of all Nations and we have a Haitian and Hispanic Church on the campus so the audience is very diverse and in the mental health field minorities are under represented so even though there are a lot of white therapists out there finding a Christian white male who was willing to serve this community by donating their time was hard to find until I reached out to this

amazing Soul sitting in front of me I literally spent hours praying and reviewing Psychology today profiles man asking God to bring me who he wants to speak to the audience so our second event was on February 10th on building and maintaining strong relationships and let me tell you the way that Travis spoke was outstanding and I knew I needed to get him on the show since his energy and words spoke gently and loudly at the same

time so here we are here we are by the way due to the new TCH system at the church we were not able to record the workshop which gets me very very frustrated in my ego state of course but in my spirit I know that God has it all under control so Travis tell us a little bit about yourself your stories what is this comprehensive emotional memory assessment and how is that different than other modalities yeah

great question and by the way thank you for the introduction I appreciate it I'm very happy to be here Diana thanks for um thanks for recognizing um the message that I have and thank for the opportunity to have the platform to share yes it's always a service to mankind right this is what this is all really about amen amen so you know so for me I had um started this um this this modality of this diagnostic

interview which is the SEMA the comprehens of emotional memory assessment I started this really kind of by accident um and the thing that had started me on this bunny trail of going down looking for Clues I slowly accumulated a system and an interview and a whole thing um it really started off with honest to God really just me trying to understand myself you know because I had grown up with a lot of attachment disorders a lot

of difficulty trusting love I had I had grown up um in a lot of intense kind of like psychic and emotional pain I hear you and so because of that it makes your it makes the way you navate through life very different right so you end up projecting out a lot of stories there's there's a lot of your energy field that gets crossed over other people you know we project things out constantly we take things deeply

personally and if you don't have the right kind of attachments and the right type of let's just say parental figure so to speak right to kind of Shepherd your heart help you organize your feelings your emotions give you like a proper mirring of who you are understand your self worth validate your feelings and kind of help really raise you yeah in a way that you're very well adjusted young adult moving into adulthood when you don't have

that you have to figure it out on your own yes so unfortunately as you have to go through that process you end up usually unconsciously attracting people to be actors in the play of yours that need to show up for a reason okay and these powerful mirrors are there to show you things about yourself that are not yet integrated and to show you the spaces That You're vulnerable or you're still believing lies or the part of

you that agrees to a certain degree of what he I thinks love might have to look like so either have to over function for everybody not ask for what I need not be a burden I have to be I cannot be too vulnerable I can't ask for too much or I feel I need to control everything or whatever it might be and everyone everyone to some degree is operating some type of a story right right depending

on the level of emotional pain you're grw up with right and the resources you had of course you yeah of course and so all like so all like all these different events are almost various like factors on the equation that lead to the outcome of who you are right now in your life so so so for me getting back to the SEMA you know me growing up I had a lot of isolation you know I lived

in a space where I had a lot of anxiety I didn't really know who I was I was I was afraid of connection even even even as I went to my adulthood you know the part of my inner child that was craving connection and love as soon as someone came close I put up unconsciously put out the stiff arm cuz I didn't really trust it and I didn't know what to do with it so that would

be like a avoidant attachment yeah so to speak right yeah um so I would try to do things to be a nice person and to be overly kind or let me do something to make your life better but if you got too close I didn't know what to do with love I didn't know what to do with that type of energy that came in my space yeah right so as I had to exist and pay bills

and go into my early relationships and things of this nature I had realized I I didn't really know what I was doing but the problem is if you don't really have a compass if you don't have a bearing to not know that you don't know what you're doing you just have to end up hitting your wall you know hitting you know run into the pattern over and over and over again until you finally get so frustrated

with it that you have to start going Inward and digging like what what the hell is happening right like what's really happening down here that um that I can't connect the way I want to I don't have the life I really want and so so the SEMA happened um the SEMA happened as I was trying to really figure myself out in some ways wow and but like every single person that comes into our field any kind

of helping professional right whether you're a therapist you're a life coach people do different things most of those people have had their own story of suffering and what we're doing is we're offering to people outside of us the thing that we we ourselves always needed right right yeah so I would come into a space and I would have great empathy for people and I would feel them and I would understand them and I'd be a mirror

to help them see what's going on and as I went into that space you know cuz some people really live in a in a deep deep pit of like psychic suffering yeah and then they get diagnosed with like the hardcore stuff from the DSM right yeah and you know but the problem is like the DSM diagnosis doesn't really help anybody because it's just because because it's like the mind and the ego are trying to find something

to latch on to right right so for me I don't really care too much about diagnosises per se that's only for insurance billing and things of that nature but there's a very powerful belief system that gets activated when I say all right well I'm anxious or I'm depressed or I have PTSD or I have these type of disorders I have the no sibo effect yeah right yeah so as as I believe it it it takes more

and more it becomes more and more real in my life you know so because because at the end of the day the the mechanism is that we are co-creators in our life with God right okay so it's kind of the Proverbs says as a man believes in his heart so is he right yeah so that's why that's why there there's this really strong biblical ammunition even in Proverbs chapter 4 you know it says above all else

you you know guard your heart for out of it comes the issues of life so the thing God's always been after he always been about our hearts that's right you know even Jeremiah 31 like the like the New Covenant right it's it's God's after our hearts it's not he's not looking for people that follow just a bunch of rules that's right he's not looking for religion he's he's looking for a circumcised heart he's looking for things

of that nature and so if you want to have that kind of experience with God and really be invited into the Divine into a Divine spiritual path that's that's something that is going to be of great purpose not just a lifetime game but like the Eternal game yeah the real one then normally you're going to have to go through an historian experience that puts you into some kind of Darkness that puts you into some type of

pain wow the dark The Dark Night of the soul that some people call back in the day in the mysticism you know well yeah of course you know of course because this is where because if you think about this way Dan it's like if if if I went through my life andless say I had really great parents MH and I had a really healthy childhood and I felt really secure and I felt really happy and I

had I was allowed to have the full range of emotions right yeah let's just say I was allowed to have that and everything went the way that my mind my ego thought the way it was supposed to go in my life right I got the kind of relationship that I was supposed to have and I got the job I was supposed to have and I got I got external validation through different things different status of the

hierarch of how to be a man in the world right then there wouldn't be a whole lot of need for me to go looking into Spirit wow right wow yeah kind of like you made yourself to be your own god well well you well well right because well yeah that's that's a separate issue you know is that is that is that we're made to worship as human beings and the problem is most yes most humans pick

other humans to worship or preaching or or or they're trying to worship actors or politicians or musicians or or money influencers right or they want to go worship Monopoly money that gives them the perception that I have status and I've made it right yeah right but at the end of the day it's just Monopoly money you know what I mean and and so our tendency to worship which kind of goes back to this issue right even

like if you look at the top 10 Exodus 20 right the Ten Commandments yeah number one is what you shall have no other gods before me y right so if I don't have any Gods before him then whatever I whatever I put in front of him is idolatry yeah and so if God really wants to set you apart and put you on a path unless there's some type of real real real miraculous thing that happens mhm

um most people have to go through suffering yeah and that's the bottom line and that's kind of what's Happening nowadays that I'm seeing especially in my clients it's they like they don't know how to suffer in a healthy way or or or they're not willing to right they're scared of it yeah I mean even people that have spiritual gifts in order to develop those gifts that you have you you have to you have to lay down

your life and you have to be willing to trust the process you know because half of this journey in life is it's like on it's it's like it's a two-sided coin on one side it's having a vision not giving up having faith pushing through right trying harder being disciplined and on the other side it's having the spiritual discernment about when to really but really really like surrender you know and when to really trust and to let

go and Trust God's timing right and that takes a lot of De sermon to do that Balancing Act takes a lot you know so you know getting back to the SEMA you know I had um after the military I'd come back and um can I ask you um what branch you were in yeah I was in Navy yeah oh nice okay all right and how long were you in the Navy yeah so I had I had

four years active duty and and then I after that I had three years inactive okay yeah um so when I got back I didn't really have any core identity I didn't really know what I was doing I didn't really know which way to go in life I just knew that okay now I have money to go to school for the GI Bill and now I'm in shape and I have a little more structure and now I

just started my relationship with God when I was in the military and then when I got back I'm like okay so now what do I do with my life CU I didn't really know and so many people are asking that question now honestly yeah yeah so and of course you know even even go back to Proverbs 16 it says that a man plans out his life but the Lord directs his steps that's right right and so

and so God was even directing my steps and and the different experiences I had I got into like construction and project management and things like that for a while and um and it was actually kind of funny because with my own story you know I was I had taken a position of being almost such like a Biblical purist what do you what do you mean by that I mean that in the sense of like I was

an idealist in the in the regard of all you needed was God's word okay you didn't need Psychology you didn't need any psycho or biology you didn't need anything else theology God just tells you everything and that's all you need and I was I was very like almost black and white okay legalistic no yes well I'm I'm I'm struggling with the word legalism because it it it was very narrow I mean I mean I like I

I wasn't legalistic in in one way in in one way I was very accepting of people okay but like I had a very fixed way of looking at everything right that makes sense yeah that's fair yeah so um as a matter of fact it was kind of funny man there was a there was a friend of mine she was part of our church group and she had got a degree in like psychology and and I like

mocked her for it I'm like you just wasted all this time at M I'm like you're basically an idiot and now you're a therapist yeah yeah which is which which is the cosmic joke of it all right you know which is the cosmic joke and uh and and I I I remember I was struggling cuz I was right around 30 and I I was doing jobs that I hated it wasn't for me at all I hated

them like they were like sucking my soul right yeah I hear you and so um what ended up doing was praying and asking God like what do I do next and then I could feel a really clear message say you need to go school for psychology and I'm like no this can't be right and then so God gave me the confirmation you need to go okay and um and then I remember one day when I was

reading Job 38 um it was you know it's at the end of the whole story after all his friends showed up and gave him all his bad advice for 30 30 chapters right and then God says well here you stand up you and then now I'm going to ask you questions job and I want you and I want you to answer my questions and so of course he's asking questions like hey job where were you when

I put the stars in place where were you when I put the water in the ocean like where were you and basically he says in verse 36 he says who do you think gives man the understanding of the Mind wow and gosh I never even I read that and I haven't even connected connected that that's beautiful you know because truth comes from above amen like real truth comes from above that's right you know and so so

I uh I I felt it in my heart okay I got to go and so I went to school and I knocked it out really really quick and then I got into the industry I didn't really know where to go or what to do um initially because again I'm still trying to figure all this out right I didn't have a clear vision of what I was going to be doing yet because I decided to take it

one step at a time right and that's what I had to do so I got a job where I could and then it was a GL where I was supposed to be and I had all these Divine appointments of co-workers and supervisors some were again they were all important whether it was good or bad it was all it was all important feedback and data for me to start integrating you know to understand people more so when

I started and eventually ended up get end getting into the uh drug and alcohol addiction okay industry and I did that for about eight years oh wow that's a that's a hard place to go yes but you know I found out I actually really really enjoy that population a lot okay and the reason why was because you know I I could understand the emotional pain these people were in yeah you know what I mean and because

addiction how I see it is that like a three or four-year-old doesn't say when I grow up I want to be an addict you know being homeless on Dixie Highway no of course but you know but but remember like all addiction is the result of people living in chronic emotional pain and and they've created a pathway in their mind by using something to give them temporary relief out of it so so so they're in a deep

state of psychic suffering yeah and a lot of our suffering is coming out of remember like the Divine inside of us right CU again we're made in God's image right yes and us being co-creators in our life with him as we believe in our heart is what we become and so when people have very deep deep levels of Shame based belief they they deeply believe they don't deserve love and and they live a life living very

small or constantly sabotaging because they're so terrified of something different you know or they're doing something that's not getting their needs met and they're hiding from thems themselves over and over and over and over and over which is everyone's biggest problem in the world is everyone's hiding from themselves and if you hide from yourself you're hiding from God and you're hide from other people wow you know what I mean yeah and so and so when people

don't want to feel what they need to feel to face it remember it's you know even even the negative things are there just to show you something that needs to be seen and integrated and healed or held right cuz not everything does need to be healed by the way so some things just need to be held in process and released without guilt and shame yeah but the problem is the Mind puts a label on it and

says no this is bad yeah and because it's bad you can't do this or because it's bad you shouldn't feel this way so if you grow up in a home like for example I grew up in a home um where there's like a pink elephant prably speaking in the living room but you can't say there's an elephant there okay you're like Mom I think there's an elephant there m nope constant denial we don't talk about anything

allow talk a lot gaslighting you can't talk about this you can't talk so it's like as a child all my programming was saying to me I'm not allowed to express my emotions wow and I definitely couldn't express my anger because my mom was too fragile to handle any kind of right any typ of feedback or any type of additional stress she was barely surviving you know she did the best she could God bless her heart you

know but you know I I I learned programming I had to like figure out and unravel it as I went through life oh this is this is just bad programming and I'm actually allowed to have all my feelings and if I say something somebody will actually listen to me and I because I didn't have the experience cuz sometimes it's just a lack of imagination so when when someone comes into your space Diana and if the person

doesn't have a lot of intuition to sense what's happening with you even on energetic level right then they're just going to act the way they normally act and you're just an actor in their play right they're going to behave the way they behave and then you're going to respond to the energy and then all releas just come a dance of energy because of it okay and you know you follow me so you know if if if

I if I come into your space and I can tell that you're uncomfortable with something now at this point I'm going to stop and ask hey what like what's what's going on here with that right you know and and I'll try to create a little safety for you and and energetically contain you a little bit and say okay let's talk about why like like where does that come from like like what's the belief around that why

is it so hard for you to express challenging the thought process yes and and energetically Gally and and energetically holding holding somebody enough to give them permission because most people are don't feel safe enough to do it right and most people are running around trying to figure out what the hell is is this experience of Life what am I supposed to be doing here you know my culture tells me right from through my family go get

a job go to college marry a nice looking person make money right and then you've made it right but is that it is that is that is that all you're supposed to do is there something is there something beyond that right you know so it's it's it's understanding it's it's honoring the process that we're all in because everyone's kind of running their own version right of reality yes right you know what I mean we all have

these narratives that have been taught to us since since we were in the womb honestly right no no exactly so so for me to kind of circle back to this with with the the SEMA it's my whole life all I ever wanted was just understand why I was acting the way I was acting because I was looking through life almost like at least my experience was like I was proverbially I was looking through this window and

I was watching everybody over there who was like part of the party and having a good time and connecting and having fun but I was outside and I felt completely lonely yeah and I felt completely disconnected from all of it well that's what cptsd does it's true yeah but so for me but I didn't have the language to identify that that's what was actually happening inside and I had nobody to be a mirror to reflect that

to me so so part of how I show up for myself is by helping other people and I help people when they have to go down to the depths of their own hell I mean really to the depths cuz i' because I spent most of my life pretty much living there you know what I mean yeah oh yeah I spent most of my life living in a space of some type of psychic pain okay I mean

when yeah when you have complex um post-traumatic stress you know cptsd and PTSD I will have another podcast explaining those things sure but yeah most definitely when you have that kind of so what that does is it gives me the ability to recognize someone else that has a similar energy an energetic disposition right it it allows me to see them allows me to sense them like for example like right now I'm doing contract work with um

with a different treatment center and uh I'm doing this assessment um just on Zoom because they want the clients to have you know basically what's what's what's part of the emotional template that's creating all the addiction and all the self-sabotage all this stuff that's going on like what's really happening the nuts and bolts of it so that that that's what I do and the same is something I do like in one session I don't need know

any background information about you no bi psychosocial so is it questions that you've created yes it's questions that I ask but they're all connected one to the other okay and it's and it helps me like form like one piece of the puzzle together and is it online like a like you know how some people could take the ace test you know adverse childhood experience test or something assessment not yet but it will be okay good to

know good to know coming up but uh and so and for now what I do is I train therapists on how to do it okay I train therapists and I I model to them and I go through all the different parts of it and about why I'm asking the questions okay because it's one thing it's one thing to explain something to somebody but some people don't really have the revelation of the words on what it actually

really means that makes sense yes yeah so you know I could speak to or you could speak to one of your clients and one person's like I don't know I just don't really get it right and then you say to someone else and it's like who oh I see it now you know for some people for some people they're they're running at such a low level of Consciousness they don't really really get there's no container okay

to receive the TR and why do you think people are running around well not all people some people have that lower level of Consciousness is it because of so much pain that they don't even know how to step back and and and be still you know that's a great question um I thought about it a lot actually and I I think for me there's a couple reasons what I think it is um one is kind of

go back to what I said initially some people everything has gone the way that life they think life should have gone and and the the ego is pretty comfortable and the mind's comfortable standing in control of everything yeah and for them there's no reason to go much deeper okay and they're just kind of like a you know they're almost like an NPC in a video game you know what I mean okay what do you mean by

that okay so like if you were to play a video game an NPC is a non-player character okay no I haven't obviously I did not know what that you you've never played a video game before okay I mean I have a back back in the day with pong yeah yeah no no so so it's like this so it's kind of like this so so the NPC is like it's like it's like one of the characters in

the game it's a non-player character NPC okay and it only has one little script you it only stays in one one spot or moves in one only has a very pre pre pre-programmed thing that does and there's no interactions beyond that okay right and so that's like an NPC where you press an interaction and that's it and there's nothing Beyond it that's like the lowest level of Consciousness for people and then there's the another level of

conscious when you're almost like the main actor okay or you're like or you're like the main character in the game right and you have a story and there's a backdrop and then you're supposed to go through face your adversaries get new equipment do side quests and then you finally kind of Meet the objective and you beat the game right and that's a middle level Consciousness and there's a higher level of consciousness of the developer of the

game itself where you stop becoming a slave to the energy interacting with everything outside of you okay and you start to play with it on a different level all right so I have a question because this is this is how my brain works because I've heard so many different I I don't want to say judgments but you know people wondering because the word energy right and I'm a I'm a Believer right and so are you and

so some people do not understand that word and they automatically go into that's new age that's woo woo what are you talking about energy so how would you explain that to a pastor or Ministry leader great question yeah you know for most people it is New Age heresy you know it is New Age heresy for a lot of people yeah they're like we don't we don't like that we don't subscribe to that and there's nothing beyond

that um so you know I think the best way to do it is to is to try to describe it this way so for example if you have a dog M your dog basically picks up on one of three different energetic interactions with people yeah because the dog doesn't really use language way we do but it energy right and you know animals are pure Spirit they're Pure Energy okay just just like kids are babies you know

like little ones so the dog will sense either you love oh look at the puppy at the puppy and then they're going to they're going to whack the Tail cuz they're going to tell automatically you like them and they're going to feel your energy and they're going to react to you okay or they're going to feel like uh dogs are annoying and the dog's in a center energy might try to come up in for a second

and greet you but then once he realizes you're not into it he's going to go away cuz he's picking up on your energy right and or if you're very hostile style right are you're going to be very aggressive the dog's going to feel very tense around you just like kids do right and show the teeth and show the teeth right right so so that's like an example of energy it's kind of it's kind of intuition and

we all have it right right so so there's there's a very clear biblical command to to be Discerning to not to not be ignorant Apostle Paul says this five times don't be ignorant right don't be UND Discerning right this this is a command not to be an idiot not to be like some brainwash that just beles you know cuz like our culture mocks Christianity you know constantly right you know like these Ned Flanders types of nice

guys that just seem totally aloof right and there's you know and it's just and it's just all up here you know I mean it's just a bunch of rules up here I'm supposed to be nice and that's kind of it and be nice be friendly and better go serve my name but they don't really get to a deeper space of like what's down here right because because ultimately when when you're talking about intuition and understanding these

things like you you're speaking to someone's spirit you're speaking to someone's Soul you're speaking truth to them yeah words yeah and and and words are Just Energy yeah right cuz like like we all know it is if someone walks into there and they're very they're fear-based but the their their fear comes out through aggression or want to control everything or TR intimidate people that's a very uncomfortable energy that the majority of the world does not like

conflict and they're going to avoid all that and let that person have their way and the bullies kind of go unchallenged right oh yeah I've seen it and people try to go and say well if you're tense then I'm going to absorb all that energy in my field and then I'm going to feel uncomfortable so I'm going to try to make you feel try to give you what you want so if you're okay then I'll be

okay right right and we end up kind of like playing this game and but the problem is it doesn't really work at the end of the day it just emboldens their bullying that's all it really does you know unless you're bully too because I've seen two right right that's the thing it's like bullies only respond to like a show of strength that's the only thing they actually respect nothing else yeah right so if you have a

a boss or a supervisor or a spouse or someone who's very energetically dominant you know like you have to push back on that and say No Boundaries well right but but but but it can't be like soft and passive right but it takes a kind of discernment to have intuition understand how I need to match your energy okay because because with some people I can see the kind of space they're in and I'm very soft and

empathetic and kind and sweet with them and there's other people that just straight up jerks I'm going be like what are you doing you can't do that right you know I'm going to be very different with that energy and I also think it's where where where you are because in a therapy room I don't think you would do that right because that's the training we have is like that's their space with no judgment correct yeah but

you're probably talking about like no in life in general like if somebody comes up to you yes in life in general for sure but I mean honestly at this point even in therapy I mean like I've I've developed my style and my own confidence and my own intuition enough over the years that with some people yeah what's therapeutically in their interest is to be very very Dr with them true after you build a rapport right I

mean like the first session I can't see you like hey you know shutting him down you'd be surprised a couple times I've done it you know I really have cuz that's where we all fall short of the glory yeah but you know but the thing is like but is it done out of love for their good that's true you know because at the end of the day I can I can say whatever I want I mean

there's there's plenty of religious people running around that are hiding behind morality but it's not because they're Mor overly moral people it's because they're actually very terrified to speak truth and and offend somebody wow it's not courage okay it's actual cowardice but it's masing something else right yeah I'm going to lay down my life I'm going to turn the other cheek okay but is that actually is that for your benefit or is that for something else

and that's the part people got to be really aware of themselves about the motivation and the intentions of the heart about why we're doing what we're doing right because when it's all said and done whatever I don't do in love it doesn't serve me anyway right true you know I mean if you go back to 1 Corinthians 13: 1-3 where Paul says I can have all the spiritual knowledge and know all the Mysteries spiritually I can

have all the gifts I could sacrifice everything I have even offer my body be burned alive if I didn't do it in love it profits me this much so to do it something in love and to and to which requires a real excavation of self and to really know your Shadow and to know the part of you and not resist what God is showing you through people and circumstances all the time problem is the Mind judges

it say this is bad I'm assigning something to it this isn't good I don't like this I don't like this person I don't like that but we repeat the same patterns and the more you resist the patterns in the life of what God's trying to show you through these outside circumstances that's what actually increases our suffering right is the resistance to that process so when I when I when I don't when I don't look at the

parts myself I don't particularly like or if I'm not willing to be honest about it that's what leads to all the disconnect amongst us right because we're all made in God's image right yes all of us are and because because we're Made In His Image there's some type of collective Consciousness there's there there's there's there's this interwoven connection with all of us as a matter of fact it's so powerful and it's so strong that people feel

disconnected because we're so fundamentally connected on some level if if you were really that disconnected like you wouldn't even know you're disconnected you know what I mean okay it's because we're so connected in the first place that we that we perceive the disconnect I mean that's the science behind everything biology right yes like we're made of all these cells that the go that the Lord made from the ground and I mean every living thing correct and

so and so because of this because of this it's it's it's going deeper to to and being willing to have the courage to face what's on what's going inside of you and just and just look at the and just look at the trail of breadcrumbs that's all it is you know what I mean like look at the patterns of your life what kind of people do you attract into your life people that are emotionally unavailable people

that step on you people that are always afraid to say anything to you people that you feel pressured to do certain thing what are your patterns because the patterns are revealing the key of what's of the deep agreements that are still down there that need to get exposed and brought to the light because once it's brought to the light it can be integrated and healed and then from there you're not a slave to it anymore right

and I think that's the goal what everybody wants you know when it's all said and done people just want to feel like they didn't waste their lives right people want to live before they die and the only way you live is when you face your fears and you actually know who you are when when you step into your god-given purpose you know when you stop playing small you know when you stop believing lies right right when

you contribute you give back to other people so my question now is how do you know because this is what I tell my clients cuz I I get it like I tell them I'm like you believed all these narratives all your life and now we're trying to get them out of your brain and give it new meaning okay and so how do we know what is a narrative from the world and what's a narrative from the

Lord and how do you tell your clients so if someone comes to me and they're Jewish or they're Christian or of that nature then all then we'll then we'll talk about and we'll une Earth really quickly what are the agreements they have right right which in the SEMA is what I call the heart wounds or the implicit beliefs okay right like I'm not good enough so I sabotage you give up easy or I don't try or

I avoid everything or if people really knew me they wouldn't love me or I can't trust people or authority figures or in the relationships that I care about you know um I have to be overly giving overly helpful overly sacrificial overly sexual overly kind overly compensating because the second I stop they're going to leave me right or I need something from you but I'm not really allowed to ask for it right these are these are the

agreements and the programs that are running the hardware right and it's like the brain like the the gray matter and your coconut this is this is this is the hardware this this is like the technology right this is the Avatar and your beliefs are quite sincerely these are the programs of running the hardware yeah and so whatever whatever you agree to here in here in your heart and in here like whatever this is this shows up

in your life right it shows up energetically people feel you you know I mean like someone could walk into this room right now and they could have horribly low self-esteem a huge internal critic they feel like everyone hates them they feel like nobody likes them they're a loser in life nothing goes their way and you can feel their energy when walk into the room it's almost like a it's like like you can just feel it you

can sense them you know and you can sense someone else who walks in and they're very bubbly and they're very light and they're very friendly and they're very outgoing and they're very kind kind like you and a little anxious a yeah you know you know and it's like so so like it's it really is a matter of life or death to what degree you get to enjoy this life as how aware you are within yourself and

what programs are running so every deserves to know the truth cuz I my whole life I wanted to know the truth but there was nobody in my life to be a mirror to me to show me MH right nobody and so I had to go and live in my dark cave for a long time until I had to learn to love the dark cave and bring my light into it and to understand what it was and

I love how you just said that like learn to live in your dark cave and bring light into it and bring light into it because that's like solo Serenity that's something I'm I'm blogging about in the next couple weeks but it's it's understanding that it is okay turning that loneliness into Serenity well yeah because to tell you the truth you know there's a lot of people out there even our spiritual communities it's really a lot of

ego using spiritual language seeking its own significance but they do it in the name of God wow they do it in all kinds of different things but it's just ego yeah but if you're really going to be a truly spiritual person that's going to get invited to the real party I mean the real party you have to be willing to go into your cave you have to be willing to be vulnerable you have to be willing

to to stay there as long as God wants you to stay there until you can unearth and find the great treasure because the greatest treasure is in the deepest dark part of that cave wow and that's where you find it all yeah so um anyway I think our time is almost up and I told you guys we're at of time already isn't that crazy I haven't even talked about anything else it's okay all right that means

I'm going to have to bring you back and we're going to have to talk about other things but before we end I really want just maybe one or two sentence on how do we encourage the listener even if they're in the mental health field like reg because I'm a qualified supervisor too and we're like that means we're training the the ones that are coming up and also like Ministry leader anybody that's listening on how to just

I don't know encourage them just give me one or two sentences on how to encourage them um okay gosh how can I reduce this down a couple sentences um I would say be as brutally honest and as vulnerable as you can possibly be as your as to push yourself to your limits um not but don't don't be brutal with hurting people with truth but just about like just be human don't you know and really understand what's

motiv you motivating you to do what you're doing you know and like I think that's really important because because if people walk into like say a church or whatever it might be and nobody's really being honest about what's happening in their life right and everyone's just showing up and hey God bless you brother high five God's good amen all the time and they do all that but inside they're profoundly suffering they're like I can't be honest

here because I'm going to get judged and the truth as they will it's the same thing for pastors well they're human too they have their Darkness they have their sins they have their problems but they're not allowed to say it because they know to be judge and people will stop coming and it's true right right and so remember people can relate to you in your honesty people can relate to you in your vulnerability that that that's

what makes this space safe and it makes you human right it's embracing the light in the dark because because we all embody Duality at all times you wouldn't appreciate love unless you've been in the lack of love right you know you wouldn't appreciate pleasure unless you've been in pain you wouldn't appreciate the light unless you've been in dark and so we all embody this Duality on some degree and the rest is just the the mind and

the ego assigning the meaning of whatever we whatever the individual thinks it is but that depends on how clever the person is how how educated they are how much Revelation they really got of truth right because if your spiritual eyes and ears are closed like you're not really going to know that much and all you all you got is a bunch of rules and I don't really feel God I don't really see this but so so

because we have to yeah I got to go I'm sorry no no I know we could keep going but um how can someone reach you real quick okay so um uh so uh well first of all email is great um which is really I'll put it in the show notes I'll put your email in the show notes and your website that works yeah which is reveal the shadow.com okay wonderful and Travis I thank you so much

and to my listeners thank you for tuning in and don't forget to trust in the Lord guard your heart and renew your mind thanks for joining us sh